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Kicked for nothing.
« on: October 09, 2015, 04:00:34 am »
Hi everybody, long time listener first time caller :)
Most of you know me, been here for a while my name is Dorian I come from Croatia, and I play regularly on Germany server, few days ago while playing on Sanctuary I was banned for two weeks... Now my question is since this is my first time in probably thousand times Ive played that I got kicked... Do you always kick people without notice or warning?  I dont even know who kicked me... We were playing Sanct as I previously mentioned and I took H&K 69 and started nading (not spawn because I never do that kind of things)... and after maybe minute or two I was forced to Spec because H&K 69 is no longer allowed? now my problem is that someone is misusing his "powers" and he gets to decide in the middle of the game that certain weapon is not allowed anymore ? If it was spawn nading, I would've understood and agreed, but this was not the case. So either the weapon should be allowed or disallowed all the time or on certain maps, but not in the middle of the game...
 
I don't remember when exactly a year or so started this Big Brother Bot or b3 that automatically mutes players for swearing... I know this because Ive been here for a while and remember the good ol' days when swearing was not considered a crime, but means of motivation :) I know I have a big mouth sometimes but it is never directed at no one in particular,and I say something maybe once a day...(Rules state : Don't swear. Many of us do, but if your profanity is directed to other players you can be banned. Remember, this is A GAME, not the real life. Also, profanity in other languages is swearing too.)
 The rules also state you CAN get banned,not you will automatically get banned for the first bad word you say. and I didn't even say nothing so explicable if you watch movies even PG-13 you can hear a lot of worse things... And I not even once directed it towards the admins or other players to be honest... To me there are a lot of worse things people do and dont get banned while I who always carry a medpack and heal my teammates as much as possible get kicked for profanity? What is this church quire ? :)

p.s. Sorry for the long post, even if no one reads this I will feel better knowing the truth is out there :)

Live long and prosper. :)
« Last Edit: October 09, 2015, 04:04:30 am by Dorian[CRO] »

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Re: Kicked for nothing.
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2015, 08:33:13 am »
Hmmm. If by misusing my powers you mean disallowing the HK because it gets pretty crazy specially at Sanc, then you must be joking. Slapping you around because I don't like your camping style would be misusing my powers. Kicking you out of the game because you keep killing me would be misusing my powers. Disallowing a weapon because it almost always screws up the game for everyone isn't. Even if you weren't spamming the spawn, as soon as one player starts using the HK at Sanc you can count on several players picking it up almost immediately. Then you have 2-4 players on each team spamming choke points and the spawn and by the time we warn people to tone it down, no one's listening amidst the chaos. And we - the admins either have to kick everyone abusing the HK (and trying to keep track who to kick takes time in those kind of situation), or disallow it and put more than half of the players on spec. Then it disrupts the game. The other even worse scenario is, by the time we figure out who to warn/kick/beg/plead to stop spamming, players from the losing team are already frustrated and rage quitting. Before you know it, you empty out an almost full the server within 5 mins. So no, I wasn't "misusing my powers". I was merely preventing a known scenario from happening. I agree it is a case to case basis, but we've had troubles in the past regarding the weapon and spamming. It really depends on the admin present and how he sees fit to handle the situation. Most of the other active admins agree with me on this and employ this method to nip it in the bud.

Now, on to your ban. No, we never kick people without notice or warning. We usually give them PLENTY of warnings, both verbally or thru B3. You were banned because you've been warned many times in the past against profanity and you won't listen. And you insist on arguing with an admin (actually 2 admins one time you were warned) regarding the matter. And no, this instance definitely wasn't the 1st bad word you said.

Now let's see...This one's from early September:

Dorian[CRO]: fuckingLAAAG
Dorian[CRO] was SLAPPED! by the Admin
Player Dorian[CRO] was muted by the admin
console: (b3): Muting Dorian[CRO] for 1.5 minutes.
(DEAD) Andok'sManok: you wanna get banned, Dorian?
Andok'sManok: coz you will, if you don't stop with your potty mouth
Dorian[CRO]: i knowmy right
Dorian[CRO]: :)

console: (b3): Rule #8: No profanity or offensive language (in any language)
Dorian[CRO]: itsnot myfirst time
Andok'sManok: exactly, you've been playing for a while.
Andok'sManok: you should know the rules by now

This conversation was from September 21:

Dorian[CRO]: fuckwe lost
Dorian[CRO] was SLAPPED! by the Admin
Player Dorian[CRO] was muted by the admin
console: (b3): Muting Dorian[CRO] for 0.5 minutes.
pot.of.soup: dorian, you know the rules here...why do you keep on doing that?
(DEAD) Dorian[CRO]: what
pot.of.soup: i've warned you before
pot.of.soup: no cussing here. you should know that by now
Dorian[CRO]: but its not yero tolerance
Dorian[CRO]: z
pot.of.soup: it is
Dorian[CRO]: you get two warnings
(DEAD) pot.of.soup: and you keep repeating it despite  warnings
Dorian[CRO]: two bad words ad day
Dorian[CRO]: just like doctor perscribed :)
pot.of.soup: doesn't work that way. next time you do that, you'll get a ban
pot.of.soup: strictly no cursing here
Dorian[CRO]: i use it in general meaning i dont swear at noone in particular
pot.of.soup: don't argue with me
Schnitzel: what happens if everyone do it
Dorian[CRO]: and what does U 8 says
console: (b3): Rule #8: No profanity or offensive language (in any language)
Dorian[CRO]: u89
pot.of.soup: you keep arguing with admins. seriously, you're getting a
vacation
Dorian[CRO]: listen man im a nice guy...
Dorian[CRO]: im here to play
pot.of.soup: then play and follow the rules
Dorian[CRO]: ido
pot.of.soup: nope, you keep bending the rules to the limits.
Dorian[CRO]: ive heard that one befora
Dorian[CRO]: and imnot breaking them...
Dorian[CRO]: but if you really want to ban me
Dorian[CRO]: im going anyway
(DEAD) pot.of.soup: ok
Dorian[CRO] disconnected


Andok'sManok: you wanna get banned, Dorian?
Andok'sManok: coz you will, if you don't stop with your potty mouth

pot.of.soup: doesn't work that way. next time you do that, you'll get a ban
pot.of.soup: strictly no cursing here

pot.of.soup: you keep arguing with admins. seriously, you're getting a
vacation


I'm pretty sure those are considered warnings, don't you think?  ::)
By that time, you were put on the watch list for language and arguing with the admins.

Then the other night:

console: (b3): HK69 is now disallowed
Dorian[CRO] joined the spectators.
(SPEC) Dorian[CRO]: come on
Dorian[CRO] joined the red team.
Dorian[CRO] entered the game
Dorian[CRO]: bullshit
Dorian[CRO] was SLAPPED! by the Admin
Player Dorian[CRO] was muted by the admin
console: (b3): Muting Dorian[CRO] for 0.5 minutes.
Dorian[CRO] was kicked
console: (b3): Dorian[CRO] was temp banned for 2 weeks because Rule #8: No
profanity or
console: (b3): >offensive language (in any language)

So no, you weren't kicked without notice or warning. You were banned because despite being told several times to keep it clean, you refuse to follow the rules. There were no "good ol' days when swearing was not considered a crime". Not here in TLWS. Profanity is not allowed here. Most of the regulars here let their kids as young as 9 play here. When my nephew started playing UrT, one of the conditions were to only play on the TLWS servers because of this. We let the occasional "F*ck" go as long as it's not directed towards other players. You do it all the time tho. I wouldn't call getting muted by b3 every other map to the point an admin gets your attention "occasional", I would call it habitual. Like the other admin said, what if everyone starts doing it? Then you have 8 players each throwing out 2 cuss words randomly. You have to look at the bigger picture.

I don't think you understand why that b3 script was put in place. It wasn't there to give you an allowance of "2 bad words a day". No, it was put there so that players like you would still be reminded of the rules even if there are no admins around. It's put there to make our jobs easier without having to warn you verbally and repeatedly coz b3 does it for us. But when someone feels like bending/stretching the rules to the limit, we step in. But we stepping in doesn't seem to be enough, hence your ban.

Sorry for the longer post, but we have to put the "truth" out there  ;)
« Last Edit: October 09, 2015, 09:03:04 am by |pnoy|s.u.p.o.t. »

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Re: Kicked for nothing.
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2015, 08:39:16 am »
Oh, on top of all those warnings in the past, I think you forgot to mention calling "Bullsh*t" on an admin's call on the server, so there's that too ??? ::)

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Re: Kicked for nothing.
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2015, 02:20:17 pm »
 I really appreciate the time and effort that you took to read and to answer my problem.

So on that particular day it was only me "nading"... (*as it was only me who went "SPEC") , and that is that hectic situation that urged admin to get involved?  only one guy nading?
If it is really such big deal then ban HKS69 in that map, then maybe you should as well ban SR8 on Riyadh too because a lot of people camp...
You see were I am getting at? Who are we to change the game ? The game is such, better man(team) wins. The one which thinks of better strategy...
And that changing of rules in half of the match is what bugs me not so much the ban.
Now I get it, you are really strict about swearing, and twice a day its not O.K :)  and you do have a valid point there which I haven't foreseen.

And aforementioned warnings...
my nana always said it is not what you say but how do you say it... and she was right.
maybe sounds stupid but please can get you a lot further than authoritative speech.
Especially with guys like me. Please is called a magic word and works subliminally. I would've never argued if someone gave me that little word.
I will behave further on and no more "arguing" with anyone.

And if I had Internet when I was 9 yrs old I know what would be first thing Ive would've "Googled" so don't start with kids and computers :) because kids ain't what they used to be.

Once again I thank you for your time and effort.And I apologize for the inconvenience I might have caused.

Dorian.


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Re: Kicked for nothing.
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2015, 04:22:15 pm »
These are lean times. At peak hours theres like 2 or 3 servers with a decent amount of players.

With that in mind, it doesn't make sense to ban a good dude like Dorian for a couple weeks, over a few cuss-words here and there. To me that just seems excessive.

Not trying to step on any toes. Just a casual player voicing his opinion.

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Re: Kicked for nothing.
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2015, 01:12:02 pm »
About the HK, like I said in my previous post, it wasn't about one player nading. It's what happens after OTHER players follow suit and start picking up the weapon too. I explained it above extensively, (I know it's kinda long, but please do read it and you'll get where I'm coming from).  I didn't even know how many players were using it that time. As soon as I connected and heard the swoosh sound of the HK launch, I disallowed it. Like I said previously, We try to nip it at the bud.

The SR8 thing is a whole different story. Camping with SR8 at Riyadh is not comparable to playing at Sanc with 2-3 guys on each team spamming nades all over the place. It doesn't disrupt the game play. Don't get me wrong, I'm the 1st one to lob HE nades at campers to get them to move around a bit. But players can handle campers with SR8. But believe me, we've seen too many instances specially in Sanc & Subway when 2 players abusing an HK can instantly empty out a very active server. That "changing of the rules halfway thru the game" that bugs you the most is what prevents people from rage quitting. And I'm not talking about 1 or 2 players quitting coz they're getting owned. I'm talking about the whole team just giving up out of frustration. And we usually end up having the admins left on the losing team, coz we usually switch sides when one team is losing badly and try to help them. I've been meaning to address  our  boss about that HK thing but never gotten around to doing it. He's a busy man and I don't want to add to his chores something as trivial as that when we admins can handle it ourselves. That's what we're here for, to help him with the servers.

Bro, you've been warned by b3 several times. You're a regular so you should know the rules by now. Admins don't need to beg for your kind consideration to follow the rules. An admin asks you to behave, you behave. On top of looking out for cheaters, you have no idea how many asshats, ragers, & racists we have had to deal with in the past and still deal with now. Not to mention the paper work that comes after it. I'm not saying you're one of those, but you can't expect me to hold your hand, batt my eyelashes and say pretty please so you can consider following the server rules  ::)



And if I had Internet when I was 9 yrs old I know what would be first thing Ive would've "Googled" so don't start with kids and computers :) because kids ain't what they used to be.


Go tell that to Smiley coz his son plays here too. Ask him if he agrees on you with that. Just because I know my son/kid/nephew can find ways to expose himself to these things, doesn't mean I won't do anything about it. LOL. Hell, I know he'll probably encounter drugs in a few years. So should I fire up a joint in front of him then? The point is, one of the reasons why TLWS got plenty of players in the past is the environment. Good, clean, fun. The reason I became a regular here way back was because I don't see players talking sh*t and spewing out racist trash every single minute. I can play on servers where I got 50-100 ms ping, but I chose to play with 200-250 ping at Nights & Algiers Unlimited. Why? Because there weren't too many jackasses around. You get what I mean?

No worries, Bro. We try to address issues as fast as we possibly can. See you in game :)
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Re: Kicked for nothing.
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2015, 01:29:05 pm »
These are lean times. At peak hours theres like 2 or 3 servers with a decent amount of players.

With that in mind, it doesn't make sense to ban a good dude like Dorian for a couple weeks, over a few cuss-words here and there. To me that just seems excessive.

Not trying to step on any toes. Just a casual player voicing his opinion.

Makes sense to me tho.

Slapped, muted, & warned automatically by B3 several times. Warned by an admin verbally on different occasions. Didn't listen, but instead argued, and went on to do it again despite warnings of a possible ban. Doesn't seem excessive to me  ;)

What happens to the server when we let not just Dorian, but say, everyone with a few cuss-words here and there?

It's all good man, we do listen to players and take everything you guys say to consideration.
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Re: Kicked for nothing.
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2015, 10:47:46 am »
It's all good man, we do listen to players and take everything you guys say to consideration.

I agree.

And my full respect to the OP, because you came to the forum to say your concerns.

And if I should emit an opinion, I think we are even now. This about the behavior on the game.

Now, about the weapons, personally I think there is some point when a specific weapon makes the whole game annoying for most players. Particularly the less skilled ones.
At that moment, when I am being killed a lot and unable to make anything, I become frustrated and just leave. Then everybody leaves, and there is no fun anymore. That's why sometimes moving people to the other team, or removing a particular weapon helps to balance a little bit the things.
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Re: Kicked for nothing.
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2015, 05:08:01 am »
I believe what "My Wife" meant to say that excessive was the two weeks period,
you could've get your message across with just few hours or days :).
In the end I never swore at no one at any time.
especially at admins, because then would've understood 2 weeks.

I feel the problem is here that I have "argued" with admins and thats why I get 2 weeks. To teach me something?
with all due respect but your effort is worthless without players, and once you start banning good people for weeks is when I know it is over. :(

week ago Ive installed a 4.2.023

Wir hatte schön zeit zusammen.
Danke und auf wiedersehen "Deutschland".

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2015, 09:06:53 am »
Yup. I got what he meant :)

Andok'sManok: you wanna get banned, Dorian?
Andok'sManok: coz you will, if you don't stop with your potty mouth

If I banned for this one, you could've gotten a few hours or days. But I didn't, did I?

pot.of.soup: doesn't work that way. next time you do that, you'll get a ban
pot.of.soup: strictly no cursing here

pot.of.soup: you keep arguing with admins. seriously, you're getting a
vacation

You still didn't get a ban after this one, right?


In the end I never swore at no one at any time.
especially at admins, because then would've understood 2 weeks.

I feel the problem is here that I have "argued" with admins and thats why I get 2 weeks. To teach me something?



In the end, there are rules here. Regardless of it was aimed at the admin, other players, or at the moon...No profanity. We're going around in circles here. The bottom line is, I gave you all the warnings and still gave you every chance coz I didn't want to have to ban you. And you still disregarded everything an admin told you and did what you did. It's not so much the arguing with the admins. Although it's also against the rules to argue with admins, it's more on the blatant disregard of the warnings that's why you got 2 weeks.

 With all due respect, I don't think it's "worthless" since you now understand the server rules and hopefully follow them when you get back online. We have regulars here who still play every night who had to learn this way, just like you. You play with them every night and you know them.  Now they follow the rules regardless if there's an admin present or not.

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Re: Kicked for nothing.
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2015, 05:50:02 pm »
There is no rules for every single situation and sometimes an admin have to create one. That's why the rule "Listen tho the admin" is so important.
I think |pnoy|s.u.p.o.t. was fair enough.
I remember you Dorian as an symphatetic, but "rebellious" type.
Play at TLWS servers, but please, respect the rules and admins.
Thanks.